the paradygm shifter

Saturday, October 08, 2005

Date:   09-08-05 00:36

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh,

Charanjeev Singh Ji, Waheguru Ji does not get angry.......guru ji cannot advice us to control our krodh when guru ji does not follow as an example. That is a simplistic human attribute. There is nothing right or wrong per se it is only a question of perspective. As Gursikhs we should endeavour to let others see from our perspective that clapping in the diwan hall in the presence of guruji is self exuberance and not thankful to The Maker who let (created) the event that caused this "clapping" to occur in the first place. It is because of our lack of endorsing the Sikh way of life that has led to many absurdities in the Gurdwara's these days. Instead of condemning others beliefs we need to ask them to question their beliefs further and in doing so sincerely they will finally discover only Gurbani is/has the Ultimate truth. Let's not break people down but strive to show them better newer methods......like not clapping but " japping" naam.

satnam singh

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh!!!!

Is it ok to clap? yes. In the divaan hall? probably not......why clap and result in a sound with no meaning when we can also praise Waheguru with a powerful jaikarra? When we clap we are basically saying " this is from us to you, the performer (or whoever)" . When a jaikarra is uttered we are thanking The All Knowing and Bestower of Gifts, Akal Purakh!!

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Author: Satnam Singh 
Date:   09-16-05 07:00

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

the question is : is the soul visible? let us ask........ok..let's ask God once again.

satnam: God, i know you are here, can you hear me?

God: Yes, you again! I am always here.

satnam: this soul thing, what is it? can i see it? is it visible?

God: the soul is that part of you which is Me. The soul can never be destroyed. This soul which is just like Me also has qualities like Me. Remember to be like God is not to be God. The sum of the parts can never be greater than the whole. Yet Each part has exactly the same properties as Me because the soul is Me. Then how come you cannot see me when I am Everywhere (Omnipresent)? Because I am Everything?

satnam: yeah, why...do tell please

God: Think of Bhai Ghanaaiya......when he was aiding the fallen and wounded in battle regardless of their allegiances....who do you think he really saw?

satnam: soldiers...people.....souls........souls! he saw You in them!!!!!

God: that is correct. That is why he was indifferent to everyone

satnam: does that mean then that the soul is visible since bhai ghanaaiya ji saw the souls of eveyone?

God: yes and no!

satnam: you confuse me..yes and no?

God: my job is not to confuse anybody. It is very clear....let me explain. What you are now looking at with your eyes is not reality!! it is what you Think is reality because your mind tells you so, but Ultimately that is not your reality.
Your perception of reality does not go beyond the Mind because you have chosen to let your mind lead you. I told you before that I have no desires. What would I want that I cannot have? I have no needs. My game is to experience my creation...I do it through you, you souls, you souls that are Me. So, actually I am experiencing myself.

satnam: this is heavy stuff.

God: Think about it....you can not know who you are unless you also know who you are not. You can not know how "good" you are unless there is a relative point of "badness". That is the importance of relativity, of relations, of sangat. If there was no "bad" sangat how would we know which was "good"?
Thus the check between The Ultimate Reality and your reality, or the relative point exists as the mind. Remember when I said " Aaee panthi saagal jamatee Mann jiteh jagjit"?? That mind, your mind is where your disillusion starts. That is the critical point where the soul and the mind gets confused about by the majority of people. The soul and the mind are not the same thing. It is because of the mind that you can choose to experience who you are and/but when you conquer your mind you begin to experience your soul.

satnam: wow! this is alot to take in one go

God: That is why I said yes and no. When you start seeing things from a soul level you will see souls....feels like I am repeating myself here......abit like Guru Nanak Dev ji trying to constantly hammer in....."naam jaapo"......but as long as you try seeing things with your mind, souls will never be seen.

satnam: how does one do that?

God: good question. I can not tell you something and then not make you able to achieve it, that would go against the grain, that is not in the nature of God. But I can tell you that only very few have experienced their soul.....for them it is like " gungeh ki mitiaai"....yet when they merge with Me that experience is Pure Bliss. So how does one do it?

satnam: yes how?

God: You can think of Me all you want but unless you Experience Me that will only remain a thought. Perhaps we shall dwell into this later as it needs attention to understand.

satnam: yeah, that sounds like a good Idea. thanks for telling me a little bit about the souls.

God: thank you for being there.

Author: Satnam Singh 
Date:   09-15-05 12:05

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Once again when all else fails we ask God in Her infinite wisdom.

satnam: God, you there?

God: i am always here, there everywhere......you guys just don't see.

satnam: does it matter? as long as we love you right?

God: it does not matter. Until you start "seeing" the "soul" reason for your being, until you connect with the truth inside you, you will love me all you want yet never truly love me at all?

satnam: but love is all that matters?!?!

God: really? since when?

satnam: that's what most people say....you can do anything you want but if the heart is clean then love is all that matters...."truth" said it above, doesn't matter if one shaves, trims, cuts hair as long as there is love inside.

God: Hmm........did he say that?.....let's see.....let us put it into perspective.

satnam: go on

God: what is this thing you call love? do you believe that i made All of you perfect because of love? do you guys do things because of love? because you love me? because you love yourselves? if you guys did things because you loved me there would be no problems in this world, absolutely none, because you would be doing things I love.....for I am Love...that's why " jo toh perm khelan ka chao sir tar tali gali murh aaao"

satnam: so are you saying we do not love you?

God: If you loved me enough, did you never once question why I bestowed a perfect body for a perfect soul? Do you think I made a mistake when i made hair grow all over the body and grow longer on some parts of the body? There is always a reason for what i do. You had and will have no conscious choice on the kes (hair) on your body, I do it for you.

satnam: you mean there is a reason for this hair?

God : there is a reason for everything I do. Even what seems like chaos to humans is in perfect order. There is an order for everything, that is my hukam.

satnam: That's besides the point.....we were talking of love....

God: You may think it is besides the point but ultimately you cannot Love me unless you love everything, i repeat EVERYTHING about yourself. For I am you and you are me.......how can you love me when you show no love for yourself?
how can you love yourself when you desecrate parts of you that I cherish with love? You think you see a better person when you shave your beards or trim them, or pluck your eyebrows? I only see a person who is mocking Me, who is saying I made them imperfect. Thus they do these things not because they love themselves but because they see a fault in themselves.

satnam: wow! i never thought of it that way

God: There are greater truths than the truths you think you know. Love and God are one and the same thing.....but not the way the majority of you think of it. Love accepts Everything, love expects Nothing. If you don't love everything I give you how do you expect to get something? You yourselves deny yourselves and then blame it on me. Everyday you think you are not good looking or smart enough or attractive and go to great lengths to change that when All the time I see beauty in your souls. You guys do not want to think on a sole (soul) level.

satnam: clever ....

God: Because the soul sees beauty even when the mind denies it.

satnam: because the soul is that part of You which will never be destroyed.....hence it has to be.....perfect! beautiful!

God: yes, now you are getting it...like i told you last time "mun tu jot saroop hai apna mul pachaan"

satnam: wow, this is wicked, innit????

God: ha, that was funny....i even enjoyed the moment when Bhai Jasbir Singh Ji said that at the camp!!! Wicked!!

satnam: God you like humour don't you?

God: well, I invented humour didn't I?

satnam: so to love You we gotta love everything about You?

God: There is no contract to love me....you do not have to if you choose not to, but I tell you this, If you want to love Me start by loving yourself, completely without ego, wash the vessel of your body, keep it pure, do not intoxicate it, do not interfere with my Will, My right to give you hair.....then our game of love will start.....then you will begin to know not just love but the essence of True Love..

satnam: God, you never cease to amaze me......thank you!!

God: You All never cease to amaze me too.

satnam: I love you God

God: I love you too.

Author: Satnam Singh 
Date:   09-23-05 12:37

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh

God does not put anyone in pain. What kind of God is this who will put others in pain and yet know the results of the outcome? Is this not a narcissistic God?
Why would God want to put any test on anyone when God already knows the outcome.....yes, yes you will say " it is God's play". It is rather absurd to say that God has put the people in Africa,for example, through tremendous pain so that they can be closer to God. I ask, nay beg you, if you have any children to put them through pain and see if that makes them closer to you. The reason these people turn to God is cos they have no one else to turn to. Try staying on an empty stomach with your children for weeks on end and tell me if you'll even remember God. Only very few do. Many people do things out of fear, not love. Instead of doing things cos we fear God, try loving instead and watch the subliminal change in your life.

God does not need to hurt anybody, not on any weak spot, no....nowhere. All our experiences are of our own making, it is the desire of the soul to experience any situation it wants to. The only difference is whether we are doing things consciously or not. Take smoking for example....the packets all say in large bold letters, SMOKING KILLS, and yet the very ones who read this everytime they buy a packet also smoke the very thing that is killing them. They are awake but unconscious.

Pain ji (can i call you that?) The reason you feel hurt is due to misplaced faith and trust. But it is ok to feel that way. Just don't hold on to that. The best way your soul communicates with you is through your feelings. It is very easy for us to say " naam jaap, eh gal nu pulja teh naam jaap". I quote from above that no one loves you except God. A God of love can not put you through pain. It is your past kaarm and your future choices that dictate your kaarm.....it is through these choices that you are undergoing what you seem to percieve as hurt. Think of the shahidiyan of Gursikhs.......even what would be apparent to us as pain and hurt was relished by them as sweetness of the will of God. " tera kiya meeta lageh".

You have to realize that if that person did not do what they did then they wouldn't be themselves.....they'd be someone else or faking it or pretending. Perhaps that was a choice made by that person unconsciously. Through their action you now know who that person really is and thus you know yourself better. Thank God for the experience.....this may sound difficult especially in this situation, but to let go you have to accept and see clearly, consciously for what it is. What you resist persists, its a fact of life. And what becomes clear disappears.

Before even loving God, try loving yourself. When you truly do that, you'll be surprised that that God you tried loving was none other than inside you.

My two cents.....

waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh.

Author: Satnam Singh 
Date:   10-03-05 06:15

"why does good put us through this madness of pain and suffering? why does he let us get caught up in his 'game'? why is he even playing a game in the first place? why must we suffer in trying to be what he supposedly wants us to be? how is god so great like you people say he is?

i know its karam, but so what? why even give people the opportunity for mistake when he can stop it all at once? why let us go through it?

im losing faith. why must i go through all this bs from a past life, only to suffer for it now? why doestn he just MAKE us all good people, why play a game at our expense in the FIRST place????

how is this god so great if hes doing this?? this same characteristic would be looked DOWN upon if a normal human was doing it. you would call him inhumane for playing with peoples lives and emotions."


You have some good questions, h ji. I thought why not to ask God?

Satnam: Hey God, waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh Ji!!!!

God: waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh. It's been a while.

satnam: i know, i know, busy, commitments, life, things.....

God: I am glad you find life more interesting, you've got things to do. When you actively take part in life you involve Me, since I am life itself.

Satnam: there's a question on this post " whys He so great?" and h has asked a few questions......do you care to explain them?

God: there's nothing that you ask of me that is never answered. Don't just look for the answers as you'd expect them to be answered......because if you knew the answers then there'd be no need to ask, right?

Satnam: i guess that is so. why do you put us through suffering?

God: have i done so? is that what you think? let's think of a parent who let's their child go to school. When the is in school the parent will have no worries since the parent knows that the child is in an environment which is safe. Even if the child plays and gets hurt or bruised, the parent will know, the school will call the parent or when the child comes home and tells the parent, or the parent see's the child's body. In a similar way I have created this world and other universes which are self sufficient and will be able to cater for all your needs.

satnam: but why this madness of pain?

God: what you percieve as 'madness of pain' is all but from a physical mental aspect. In truth, nothing happens without a thought. That is the power of a thought. You have a concept, then you create it in your mind and then you experience your creation with your body. All that is happening to you is what you have chosen to experience. God can never interfere with your choices, only help you to implement them. A God who can interfere with your choices would not be a God who believes in complete freedom. Freedom is just that, Freedom.

satnam: so are you saying we are causing ourselves this pain?

God: do you think i enjoy seeing you people suffering? you think i get kicks out of seeing you in pain? I don't. But know also that what you think of as pain is nothing more than simply an experience that the soul chose. In the Realm of Truth, time and space do not exist. Everything is Now. Your default values as humans allow you to forget who you really are.....and you are simply Me....in you is Me experiencing Myself as Myself because I am All there is......there is nothing that I am Not......therefore I am everything and nothing at the same time. I am the 'space' that holds everything and the everything that holds the 'space'. That is the Divine Dichotomy.

satnam: where does this lead to?

God: You are that part of Me which thinks it is not Me because your mind and soul has simply chosen to forget who you are. To experience yourself is your main desire......and hence you experience me. Let us put it onto perspective. You cannot know what ' hot' is unless you know what 'cold' is. You cannot know what is 'bad' unless you know what 'good' is. You cannot know what 'joy' is unless you know what ' pain' is. You cannot know what 'experiencing' God is unless you know what 'missing' God is. For you to enjoy the experience of Me again and again, you have to know what it feels like to miss Me. That point where one becomes the other exists in your body......spiritually uplifted people will tell you what it is.

satnam: God, i have to go.....will chat later....


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 Re: whys he so great?
Author: Satnam Singh 
Date:   10-03-05 09:56

con't...

satnam: I'm back, you there God?

God: I am always here.

Satnam: You were saying that because we have chosen to forget you, we keep thinking we are in pain but when we try and constantly remember you we begin to have the experience of you again!?

God: in so many words, yes. But that in not entirely accurate......the point of your seperation from me is when your desires for the pleasures of the mind and body overwhelm the soul. Ultimately the soul desires to return to its original source which is Me and hence the process of re-incarnation. The soul continually goes through various experiences to try and remember who it really is ......but it knows all the time what it really is, ONLY your mind does not allow you to remember who you really are, which is Me, manifest in various ways.

satnam: heavy stuff!!

God: I have no need to 'play' games with your lives as such. My 'play' is to allow your soul to experience whatever it chooses to. I enjoy giving you the freedom to do whatever you want to do. That is why I give , give give all the time. " jo mangeh takhur apneh te soi soi deveh" . When you ask ' God i WANT a car and i WANT a big house and i WANT the best of everything, then that is exactly what i give you......the 'WANT' to have whatever you ask for and thus you are continually wanting......and hence i have fulfilled your requests.

satnam: you mean ......i get what you mean.....you keep giving us what we WANT.....so it's about how and what we ask right?

God: Have you ever noticed that all my beloved never asked for anything? They always said they had enough. They had rid themselves of their desires for they knew they had all they want. To them this is not the reality.....what you see is not their reality.....their reality is ME......and they see Me in everything.
The mere fact of asking is a denial that you don't have. Yet how can God not have anything you ask for? What would be impossible for Me to do? have? Create? All my beloved never asked, they thanked Me because they knew that even before they had asked I had answered.......ha, like God doesn't know everything eh?

satnam: i'm beginning to understand....theirs was a prayer of thanks.

God: Exactly, for the experience, for their emotions,for everything. That is why they never lost faith in me because ultimately they would be reunited with me "joti jot milae jot ral javengeh". All your actions are based upon two primary emotions (emotions = energy in motion).....love and fear. I have given you the ability to choose which way you want to percieve Me. There is nothing else to DO. That is just the nature of life. You may do it in this life or the next or the next but ultimately you will merge with Me, since I am All there is.

satnam: so that explains karams then?

God: You will pick up bits and pieces in your 'journey' in life and in all lives you live. Some of this you will have to settle in this life and some in later lives. This is entirely the decision of your soul. I oversee the overall picture but I do not interfere with your souls decisions. But what you must remember is that " YOUR JOURNEY HAS ALREADY BEGUN!!!" It started way before the human life you have now. On this matter you have no other choice, your soul has already decided to begin this journey and that is why you are here asking me these questions. I'll tell you something more....

satnam: go on...i am excited....

God: Some of the people in your world have already known about Me and the way to experience Me......go ask them....they are my beloved amritdhari gursikhs!!!